Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 04:30:02 PDT From: Advanced Amateur Radio Networking Group Errors-To: TCP-Group-Errors@UCSD.Edu Reply-To: TCP-Group@UCSD.Edu Precedence: Bulk Subject: TCP-Group Digest V94 #183 To: tcp-group-digest TCP-Group Digest Thu, 25 Aug 94 Volume 94 : Issue 183 Today's Topics: Ajourn (6 msgs) Changing environment (was RE: Dos Computers) (2 msgs) Computers, ethernet and lightning protection Mail Delivery Status Port 513 call/response Send Replies or notes for publication to: . Subscription requests to . Problems you can't solve otherwise to brian@ucsd.edu. Archives of past issues of the TCP-Group Digest are available (by FTP only) from UCSD.Edu in directory "mailarchives". We trust that readers are intelligent enough to realize that all text herein consists of personal comments and does not represent the official policies or positions of any party. Your mileage may vary. So there. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 09:58:55 CST From: ssampson@disco.awacs.af.mil Subject: Ajourn To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu brian@nothing.ucsd.edu says: > Is it time to acknowledge that no one is doing anything useful and > shut down the list? If we're just wasting time, let's adjourn. You must have been asleep. This group has been dead for 2 years. First it was the conversion of TCP/IP to a BBS, now we're back to expounding the merits of KISS and BPQ TNC's. Plus the intelligence level of the members has dropped significantly. I've had to help at least 60 or 70 people learn how to unsubscribe; Their Mommy must have subscribed them, because they were otherwise clueless. What a drag. I don't think there's more than 10 subscribers anyway. I second ajournment. I've already unsubscribed... -- Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:44:58 +0100 From: "Brian A. Lantz" Subject: Ajourn To: ssampson@disco.awacs.af.mil On Wed, 24 Aug 1994 ssampson@disco.awacs.af.mil wrote: Come on, now. Not another perfect example of bitching just to bitch! > brian@nothing.ucsd.edu says: > > Is it time to acknowledge that no one is doing anything useful and > > shut down the list? If we're just wasting time, let's adjourn. > > You must have been asleep. This group has been dead for 2 years. > First it was the conversion of TCP/IP to a BBS, now we're back to > expounding the merits of KISS and BPQ TNC's. Seemed pretty lively and useful to me. Must depend on your attitude.... It was incorporating new features into the base, adding items that eased the entry of xNOS into the mainstream packet forwarding network. As for merits of TNCs, have you found a way to do packet radio without a packet controller of some kind? Or maybe you just don't like people asking for help..... > Plus the intelligence level of the members has dropped significantly. You must have OBVIOUSLY been reading, "How to win friends and influence people", with a remark like that. Can you say "superiority complex"? I knew you could.... > I've had to help at least 60 or 70 people learn how to unsubscribe; > Their Mommy must have subscribed them, because they were otherwise clueless. I guess you were born knowing everything there was to know about the Internet. Wake up, this "problem" is an "opportunity". Have you ever heard of the term ELMER??? The growth of popularity in the Internet means that there will be more and more people who are LEARNING, just like you (yes, you) had to at one time. This is a good time to help other to learn proper netiquette. While I commend you for your assistance, the attitude with which you seem to approach it leaves it questionable as to its helpful merits. > What a drag. I don't think there's more than 10 subscribers anyway. I second > ajournment. I've already unsubscribed... If that's the case, I guess the other "nine" of us will stick around and do what we can to TRY to help promote Amateur Radio TCP/IP. Do to the tone of your message, you can probably find a better use of your time, and everyone should spend their time as it pleases them most. Brian: The need for this group STILL exists, since experimentation is STILL going on, tools are STILL being developed, and new TCP/IP HAMS (running all sorts of software) are STILL needing to exchange information and request assistance. Please don't let a few casting disparaging tones cause you to cut this communications channel off, whether there are 10 or 1000. One vote for continued co-operation, at a reduced level of bitching and moaning. ----------------------------------------------------------- Brian A. Lantz/KO4KS brian@lantz.cftnet.com REAL PORTION of Microsoft Windows code: while (memory_available) { eat_major_portion_of_memory (no_real_reason); if (feel_like_it) make_user_THINK (this_is_an_OS); gates_bank_balance++; } ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:32:41 -0500 (CST) From: Bill Walker Subject: Ajourn To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu Brian A. Lantz writes: > > [snip] > One vote for continued co-operation, at a reduced level of bitching and > moaning. > [snip] Two. -- Bill Walker Ph.D. Chairman, Dept. of Computer Science East Central University Ada, Oklahoma 74820-6899 e-mail: bw@cs.ecok.edu phone: 405 332 8000 ext. 594 FAX: 405 436 4563 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 17:34:37 -0400 From: "Brandon S. Allbery" Subject: Ajourn To: tcp-group@UCSD.EDU In your message of Wed, 24 Aug 1994 15:32:41 CDT, you write: +--------------- | Brian A. Lantz writes: | > One vote for continued co-operation, at a reduced level of bitching and | > moaning. | Two. +------------->8 Three, if we're counting. Although I think an official "elmering" list might be nice; it would fill out the low end (the middle being nos-bbs and the high end here). ---Not, given the example of comp.unix.questions, that it would be *used*, unfortunately... ++Brandon -- Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH [44.70.4.88] bsa@kf8nh.wariat.org Linux development: iBCS2, JNOS, MH Daily dreading Nehemiah Scudder^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^HRush Limbaugh ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 00:28:26 -0500 (CDT) From: Gerald J Creager Subject: Ajourn To: ssampson@disco.awacs.af.mil ssampson@disco.awacs.af.mil sez: > > brian@nothing.ucsd.edu says: > > Is it time to acknowledge that no one is doing anything useful and > > shut down the list? If we're just wasting time, let's adjourn. > > You must have been asleep. This group has been dead for 2 years. > First it was the conversion of TCP/IP to a BBS, now we're back to > expounding the merits of KISS and BPQ TNC's. Plus the intelligence > level of the members has dropped significantly. I've had to help at > least 60 or 70 people learn how to unsubscribe; Their Mommy must have > subscribed them, because they were otherwise clueless. What a drag. I > don't think there's more than 10 subscribers anyway. I second > ajournment. I've already unsubscribed... SO, Steve, if you're so negative regarding THIS group, why are you whining overe here? Sorry if you think it's been dead. I tend to disagree. It's been quiet, but most of the development has been occurring on JNOS. Maybe it's time for some of us to go back to KarnCode (tm) and the basics, and drop the BBS falderal. I don't need a BBS at home. I think the BBS's should learn to talk IP for their internetworking, rather than make a reasonable and rational package do too many things. And before you warm up the flame-throwers, I'm NOT disparaging the folks who have done the various flavors' development. If they want to do that, fine. This has been a pretty nice group, with a reasonable S/N level where we could discuss internetworking of amateur radio with IP, without HAVING to listen to the whining. Don't knock the administrator that feeds you. If YOU don't like the group, fine. Unsubscribe. But STOP the catty comments to Brian for his commentary. For the record, it i_is_ effectively his machine. He can take his hard disk and go home. Cheers. Gerry ps: Sorry, Brian. I can't sit this one out much longer! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Aug 1994 17:31:58 +1000 From: ccdrw@cc.newcastle.edu.au (Dave Walmsley) Subject: Ajourn To: tcp-group@UCSD.EDU Bill Walker writes: >Brian A. Lantz writes: >> >> [snip] >> One vote for continued co-operation, at a reduced level of bitching and >> moaning. >> [snip] > > Two. Three. ========================================================================= Dave VK2XPX, sysop VK2RAP ccdrw@cc.newcastle.edu.au sysop@vk2rap.newcastle.edu.au vk2xpx@vk2xpx.ampr.org ========================================================================= ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 1994 11:59:23 -0600 From: jra1854@tntech.edu (Jeffrey Austen) Subject: Changing environment (was RE: Dos Computers) To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu Why all the fighting? I think some people feel abandoned. This need not be so. The environment has changed. Some (home) operating systems have networking built in. For most others there exists inexpensive or free network software. Virtually all of them speak SLIP and have serial ports. So why run NOS? The end user, who neither routes packets nor provides BBS services, would be better off running the network software - and operating system - of his or her choice (and NOS is among the choices) with a SLIP link to a SLIP-TNC. All we lack is the SLIP-TNC ... but we have a good start on one with the X1J code. Jeff, k9ja +-+ Jeffrey Austen | Tennessee Technological University jra1854@tntech.edu | Box 5004 (615) 372-3485 | Cookeville Tennessee 38505 U.S.A. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 11:59:23 -0600 From: jra1854@tntech.edu Subject: Changing environment (was RE: Dos Computers) To: tcp-group@UCSD.EDU Why all the fighting? I think some people feel abandoned. This need not be so. The environment has changed. Some (home) operating systems have networking built in. For most others there exists inexpensive or free network software. Virtually all of them speak SLIP and have serial ports. So why run NOS? The end user, who neither routes packets nor provides BBS services, would be better off running the network software - and operating system - of his or her choice (and NOS is among the choices) with a SLIP link to a SLIP-TNC. All we lack is the SLIP-TNC ... but we have a good start on one with the X1J code. Jeff, k9ja +-+ Jeffrey Austen | Tennessee Technological University jra1854@tntech.edu | Box 5004 (615) 372-3485 | Cookeville Tennessee 38505 U.S.A. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Aug 94 17:45:00 -0000 From: mikebw@bilow.bilow.uu.ids.net (Mike Bilow) Subject: Computers, ethernet and lightning protection To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu On 94 Aug 23 at 21:34, Jeffrey Austen wrote: JA> How can I hook the JA> computers together via ethernet while providing a high JA> degree of lightning protection for the second computer? JA> Fiber optic ethernet seems like the best solution except JA> that the cost appears to be on the order of $500 for a pair JA> of transceivers. Are there good quality lightning JA> protectors for 10BASE2 or 10BASE-T ethernet cables? Where JA> can I find them? Since Ethernet coax is usually just RG-58, I would think that ordinary antenna protectors using gas discharge tubes (like "Transi-Trap") would work. -- Mike ------------------------------ Date: 24 Aug 1994 11:51:11 GMT From: "Central Postmaster" Subject: Mail Delivery Status ***** Error in Mail Delivery ***** E0100-ZIPSCA003E-ZIP PACKET GLOBAL ERROR Recipients: NSYSTEM.ZMPEHOR@A50VM1.TRG.NYNEX.COM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Aug 94 06:28:16 GMT From: garry@cyanea.apana.org.au ("Garry Hawgood") Subject: Port 513 call/response To: tcp-group@ucsd.edu Problem: Can jnos1.10f be configured to correctly respond to a call to UDP PORT 513 (whod) ? I have been using jnos in it's progressing stages over the past 2.5 years and just recently have been able to put it on line as a dedicated internet host, however, my service provider uses a FreeBSD Unix system and part of their system status is handled by a call to udp port 513 every 3 minutes, to see which hosts are online and available. Because my current jnos configuration does not correctly respond to such a call, implementation. Both of which support port 513 in their native TCP/IP it seems. I would obviously prefer to remain with jnos for compatibility with my rf world software, so any help and/or suggestions greatly appreciated. (I'm just not ready to learn a new operating system just so I can stay online) Regards Garry VK4KE ps. I have previously asked this question in the nos-bbs area with no replies yet. ------------------------------ End of TCP-Group Digest V94 #183 ******************************